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Post by Eunji on May 8, 2016 16:59:48 GMT 10
Kyungran you rejected your own mission? I really thought we had this group right, what changed your mind? I became convinced that Ahyoung and Hongchul are telling the truth. I could be wrong, but I'm willing to put all of my eggs in that basket for now. Do you still think this group is right having seen how the votes came in? Hongchul is NOT playing for a citizen win. We have to assume he is criminal or we have no hope. |
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Post by Ahyoung on May 8, 2016 17:05:28 GMT 10
I became convinced that Ahyoung and Hongchul are telling the truth. I could be wrong, but I'm willing to put all of my eggs in that basket for now. Do you still think this group is right having seen how the votes came in? Hongchul is NOT playing for a citizen win. We have to assume he is criminal or we have no hope. Yeah, that's why he and I rejected that criminal team. Makes total sense. |
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Post by Kyungran on May 8, 2016 17:06:51 GMT 10
I became convinced that Ahyoung and Hongchul are telling the truth. I could be wrong, but I'm willing to put all of my eggs in that basket for now. Do you still think this group is right having seen how the votes came in? Hongchul is NOT playing for a citizen win. We have to assume he is criminal or we have no hope. If that's true, either because Hongchul is a criminal or Hongchul is a citizen helping a criminal Ahyoung, why would both Hongchul and Ahyoung have rejected a jury that had at least one criminal on it? Getting a 2-0 lead as criminals would be too irresistible for anyone playing for a criminal win. Further, if Hongchul is a citizen playing for a criminal win, the citizens have no chance of winning as we'll never get the four guilty votes required in trial 5. So I have to work on the theory he isn't doing that if I want any chance of winning. |
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Post by Sunggyu on May 8, 2016 17:08:50 GMT 10
I will be honest, that I considered voting Not Guilty as a citizen, but I promise you I decided against it. When Hongchul Hyung laid out his plan, and whatever he may say in his slant, by insisting Ahyoung nuna win this round, he was condemning Eunji Nuna to the death match. Eunji Nuna has just survived one death match in the previous round, and I did not think that sporting at all. And to what end? Hongchul says that he owed it to Ahyoung Nuna from the previous round? For what? For saying she was a criminal when we had already won the round and it was obvious to every man and his dog?? I looked at the dog sitting next to me at the time...  The dog said to me, "Eunji, Ahyoung and Kyunghoon are criminals", and I just patted him. I didn't even say "clever dog" because there was no cleverness involved. Everyone already knew. All they did was shorten the round for everyone by admitting it. So what does Hongchul really owe Ahyoung Nuna? Certainly nothing from this round. Perhaps they are strong allies from previous rounds, I do not know. But it's a slap in the face to all of us who considered orselves allies of Hongchul Hynung before now. (Myself included). But I thought, Sunggyu it is naive of you to think this game is being played on a pure platform. That people are not playing for their long term allies ahead of their current team. And yes, for a second I thought of submitting a Not Guilty verdict even as a citizen to balance the scales for Eunji Nuna who was clearly under attack in a very obvious way from Hongchul and Ahyoung. One understandably so, the other not so much. But I didn't, because I couldn't. I have been "deceitful as shit" in this game, but it's been entirely in the game. If I were to step outside of that, then I would be crossing a bridge I would not be happy to cross. Now to the current situation, I did feel as though I was on a team with two other citizens. I don't know how much game roles seem to mean to people at this point. It seems far more as though it is people playing to save either Eunji Nuna or Ahyoung Nuna, and that is understandable. Maybe I am a fool for playing the game as a game. But as a citizen I am in no position to know with any level of certainty what Eunji Nuna's role is - so any attempts to help her could end up hurting her anyway. And so I play straight up. I am a citizen and as such I post the Guilty disc. I don't even know if one of my jurors from the previous trial was a criminal or merely following some other agenda. I do not care, I will stay true to me. And Eunji Nuna, if you are not a citizen and I am fucking you over, you have my deepest sympathy. And if you go to the death match I completely expect you to consider choosing me because of my failure to help. I am the Korean Harry Styles, I do not need the garnets. So although I consider betraying my team to save someone whose role I don't fully know, I did not. And I will not. |
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Post by Eunji on May 8, 2016 17:16:09 GMT 10
Hongchul is NOT playing for a citizen win. We have to assume he is criminal or we have no hope. If that's true, either because Hongchul is a criminal or Hongchul is a citizen helping a criminal Ahyoung, why would both Hongchul and Ahyoung have rejected a jury that had at least one criminal on it? Getting a 2-0 lead as criminals would be too irresistible for anyone playing for a criminal win. Further, if Hongchul is a citizen playing for a criminal win, the citizens have no chance of winning as we'll never get the four guilty votes required in trial 5. So I have to work on the theory he isn't doing that if I want any chance of winning. Did you see the last match? Ahyoung and I didn't approve any of the criminal missions for fear of looking suspicious. Citizens can play more freely but can also make mistakes. Plus if Hongchul is a citizen he wouldn't have known that team was bad anyway. |
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Post by Kyungran on May 8, 2016 17:22:06 GMT 10
Kyungran you rejected your own mission? I really thought we had this group right, what changed your mind? This comment raises a warning flag for me. It came after the approve/reject results but before the not guilty verdict. How would he have known the group wasn't right - just because I ultimately rejected my group doesn't mean it was necessarily wrong. Also note the past tense Sunggyu used. Then Sunggyu acted surprised after the not guilty verdict: It just doesn't add up in my opinion. I think the citizens are Ahyoung, Hongchul, Kyunghoon, and I. |
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Post by Sunggyu on May 8, 2016 17:23:14 GMT 10
Kyungran you rejected your own mission? I really thought we had this group right, what changed your mind? This comment raises a warning flag for me. It came after the approve/reject results but before the not guilty verdict. How would he have known the group wasn't right - just because I ultimately rejected my group doesn't mean it was necessarily wrong. Also note the past tense Sunggyu used. Then Sunggyu acted surprised after the not guilty verdict: It just doesn't add up in my opinion. I think the citizens are Ahyoung, Hongchul, Kyunghoon, and I. Nuna, you proposed a jury and then rejected it. That is always going to trigger warning flags with me as it did with Kyunghoon last round. |
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Post by Kyungran on May 8, 2016 17:27:07 GMT 10
If that's true, either because Hongchul is a criminal or Hongchul is a citizen helping a criminal Ahyoung, why would both Hongchul and Ahyoung have rejected a jury that had at least one criminal on it? Getting a 2-0 lead as criminals would be too irresistible for anyone playing for a criminal win. Further, if Hongchul is a citizen playing for a criminal win, the citizens have no chance of winning as we'll never get the four guilty votes required in trial 5. So I have to work on the theory he isn't doing that if I want any chance of winning. Did you see the last match? Ahyoung and I didn't approve any of the criminal missions for fear of looking suspicious. Citizens can play more freely but can also make mistakes. Plus if Hongchul is a citizen he wouldn't have known that team was bad anyway. True, but as I said I can't consider the possibility of Hongchul being a citizen working towards a criminal win - if he is then I've lost anyway. |
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Post by Eunji on May 8, 2016 17:28:55 GMT 10
Did you see the last match? Ahyoung and I didn't approve any of the criminal missions for fear of looking suspicious. Citizens can play more freely but can also make mistakes. Plus if Hongchul is a citizen he wouldn't have known that team was bad anyway. True, but as I said I can't consider the possibility of Hongchul being a citizen working towards a criminal win - if he is then I've lost anyway. Which is exactly why I am praying he is a criminal  |
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Post by Sunggyu on May 8, 2016 17:29:58 GMT 10
Then Sunggyu acted surprised after the not guilty verdict: It just doesn't add up in my opinion. I think the citizens are Ahyoung, Hongchul, Kyunghoon, and I. Because I WAS surprised Nuna. I felt you and Kyunghoon were both citizens with me. But mostly I was surprised because of the amount of time I put in to contemplating voting Not Guilty myself, under the belief that Hongchul and Ahyoung were right and that Eunji was a criminal. A big part of me wanted to help her out and I anguished over it for many hours before deciding. That was my surprise. But the not guilty verdict was issued anyway even though I followed my heart and stayed true to my team. As I said above, in the end I decided that since I have no idea for sure whether she is citizen or criminal, I should just play straight. And then that happened. I will make no effort further effort to convince you since I am wearing my heart on my sleeve here anyway. Either you threw in the Not Guilty or Kyunghoon did, but I still don't know if either of you are criminals since apparetly that's not what this round is about. I am giving up. I will agree to everything and if selected for a jury I will vote guilty. Apart from that I don't care to take part in this any more today. I have family issues to attend to. |
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Post by Kyungran on May 8, 2016 17:38:41 GMT 10
I can appreciate that Sunggyu and I apologise if I am causing you undue frustration.
If I am wrong about your role it is to my own detriment.
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Post by Ahyoung on May 8, 2016 17:45:35 GMT 10
Then Sunggyu acted surprised after the not guilty verdict: It just doesn't add up in my opinion. I think the citizens are Ahyoung, Hongchul, Kyunghoon, and I. Because I WAS surprised Nuna. I felt you and Kyunghoon were both citizens with me. But mostly I was surprised because of the amount of time I put in to contemplating voting Not Guilty myself, under the belief that Hongchul and Ahyoung were right and that Eunji was a criminal. A big part of me wanted to help her out and I anguished over it for many hours before deciding. That was my surprise. But the not guilty verdict was issued anyway even though I followed my heart and stayed true to my team. As I said above, in the end I decided that since I have no idea for sure whether she is citizen or criminal, I should just play straight. And then that happened. I will make no effort further effort to convince you since I am wearing my heart on my sleeve here anyway. Either you threw in the Not Guilty or Kyunghoon did, but I still don't know if either of you are criminals since apparetly that's not what this round is about. I am giving up. I will agree to everything and if selected for a jury I will vote guilty. Apart from that I don't care to take part in this any more today. I have family issues to attend to. If you actually ARE a citizen and are going to approve everything, you're condemning me to the Death Match. If that's the way you want to play it, that's your right. And to show you my gratitude, I'll see you in the Death Match. I don't like doing it, but you must see you're forcing my hand with this decision you've made? You said yourself to Hongchul that he should be careful of Eunji having the power to pick, now you're putting me in Eunji's spot with you in Hongchul's. Of course, if Sunggyu is a criminal then this means nothing. I wonder whether it may just be better to assume Sunggyu is a criminal? If he is, citizens win. If not, I'll pick him for the DM since he won't be the winner. Idk, I'd still like to talk it over with Kyunghoon, Kyungran and Hongchul before deciding anything. |
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Post by Hongchul on May 8, 2016 18:04:27 GMT 10
Is there actually still fair dinkum discussion whether Ahyoung and I are actually citizen? Unreal
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Post by Ahyoung on May 8, 2016 18:05:31 GMT 10
Is there actually still fair dinkum discussion whether Ahyoung and I are actually citizen? Unreal   |
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Post by Hongchul on May 8, 2016 18:06:25 GMT 10
I'm choosing Ahyoung to go on the next mission with me, and I'll need a third. Would anyone be volunteering to try and peg this back to 2-1 with us?
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