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Post by Sunggyu on May 7, 2016 23:28:43 GMT 10
I have to agree. I do not know who the criminal was out of Eynji Nuna and Ahyoung Nuna. And I do not know with any certainty of Hongchul Hyung's guilt or innocence. But being the third round, I think there is more at play here than people playing for their teams. It is clear that Hongchul at least, is not playing for his team but for Ahyoung. Now, I hope he is a criminal in that case, because being one citizen down due to misplaced obligations will make this very difficult. And I agree with Eunji Nuna. If he had used garnets to find out for sure, he could not have said with 100% certainty without disqualifying himself and his team. 1. You say you're not sure who is a criminal between me and Eunji, 2. yet then say Hongchul isn't playing for his team but mine, 3. and that citizens are down one if he's bad. 4. If you're not sure if I'm bad, why aren't you considering we really are just on the same team as citizens? 5. And since you believe that Hongchul is playing for me, you should believe that I would have told him if I were a criminal. YOU are just trying to protect your criminal buddy, Eunji. And Kyungran, please know that I would have told Hongchul  Again, he never said I'm 100% a citizen! He phrased it differently. Did he check? No idea. But I don't think what he said would disqualify him. And I'm feeling more confident that the team of criminals is Eunji, Jinho and Sunggyu now. 1. I do not know what team Hongchul Hyung or you, or Eunji nuna is. 2. I did not say that Hongchul Hyung was playing for your team, but that he is playing for you. I can not know if you are the same team or a different team. 3. I did not say he was bad, I said his allegiance isn't to whatever team he is on. If you are criminal, and he is citizen, his allegiance is to you, not to the other citizens. This is why I said I hope he is a criminal, because then he either a) knows you're a criminal and will help you - which he would anyway, of b) knows you're a citizen and will help you - which in effect helps the citizens. Hence, if he's playing for you and not for his team he's either doing what he would anyway, or helping the citizens so it's fine. BUT if he is a citizen and he's playing to stop you being last, that is only okay if you're a citizen too. If you're a criminal, and he figures this out (or uses garnets to find out) then the citizens have lost the allegiance of one of their own and it becomes impossible for them to win. 4. I can only use the information in front of me as to whether you are criminal or citizen. I have not firmly decided anything as I have said many times. 5. I would draw no such conclusion about what you would do based on his actions. Seemingly you have been perfectly rational to date so that's not a logical assumption to draw. |
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Post by Kyunghoon on May 7, 2016 23:28:59 GMT 10
WERE HERE BECAUSE WE ALL APPROVED THE FIRST JURY INSTEAD OF REJECTING IT AND WAITING TIL THE 5TH PERSON. NOW CITIZENS WHO APPROVED THIS SEEM LIKE CRIMINALS.
#5thpersonforever
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Post by Ahyoung on May 7, 2016 23:34:17 GMT 10
 snap, Ahyoung! Well you saying the sand doesn't bode well? I assumed he was good and would find out I'm good too, but if you're so confident then he must be a criminal with you? Which would make Sunggyu a citizen. |
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Post by Ahyoung on May 7, 2016 23:34:43 GMT 10
*the same
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Post by Sunggyu on May 7, 2016 23:36:38 GMT 10
Oh wait, there was this one too
you have seen me as a criminal and you have seen me as a citizen. Do you think I am stupid? If I was a criminal and so was Eunji nuna no way would I be protecting her after a Not Guilty verdict. Were you not watching game one? I may have been "deceptive as fuck" but I was never a fool.
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Post by Eunji on May 7, 2016 23:45:54 GMT 10
snap, Ahyoung! Well you saying the sand doesn't bode well? I assumed he was good and would find out I'm good too, but if you're so confident then he must be a criminal with you? Which would make Sunggyu a citizen. Lol all citizens can check if they like, and we'll have a very quick game. |
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Post by Ahyoung on May 7, 2016 23:46:21 GMT 10
Oh wait, there was this one too you have seen me as a criminal and you have seen me as a citizen. Do you think I am stupid? If I was a criminal and so was Eunji nuna no way would I be protecting her after a Not Guilty verdict. Were you not watching game one? I may have been "deceptive as fuck" but I was never a fool. I'm jumping back and forth on you because I don't know what you are. I think you're clever enough to try to mess with our heads if you are a criminal  |
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Post by Ahyoung on May 7, 2016 23:48:50 GMT 10
Well you saying the sand doesn't bode well? I assumed he was good and would find out I'm good too, but if you're so confident then he must be a criminal with you? Which would make Sunggyu a citizen. Lol all citizens can check if they like, and we'll have a very quick game. Please do, citizens! The quick game would be in my favour |
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Post by Eunji on May 7, 2016 23:58:39 GMT 10
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Post by Sunggyu on May 8, 2016 0:29:26 GMT 10
The distraction in this round is ridiculous.
Back on point, Kyunghoon seemed genuinely excited to have a different role, so I'm willing to trust (with no more solid information) that he is a citizen. Kyungran Nuna has seemed much as she has in the previous rounds. Again, I have no more information to go on. But we know at least one of Eunji Nuna and Ahyoung nuna are criminals so that lowers the percentages somewhat (albeit marginally). I'm agreeing to this jury in the hope that we can focus on that and not this domestic dispute unfolding before us.
But now I must sleep.
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Post by Sunggyu on May 8, 2016 0:31:03 GMT 10
And I would like to save my 10 garnets "to be sure" money, to use in case this one doesn't come back Guilty as expected. Only then will it be a problem. Provided we have this jury picked correctly, we may never need to resolve the issue of who between Eunji nuna and Ahyoung nuna was a the criminal... or both.
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Post by Hongchul on May 8, 2016 0:54:35 GMT 10
From my perspective I went in to this round playing for someone else as someone put it earlier. You all may not agree with that and that is fine, I make my own decisions and am happy with them and will stick to them.
If I was criminal I would have known if Ahyoung was criminal too. And then I could've fought the bad fight with her. Since I was citizen I wanted to find out what she was and then I could fight whatever fight she needed me to fight. So when she tells me she is a citizen, then that's good enough for me to take to the bank. The problem we may have is that someone is using the same strategy to ensure Eunji is saved too. I have no problem with that, congratulations on being a lot more discreet than I. We will find out soon enough I guess. But if the citizens are not going out of their way to save Eunji over Ahyoung, then you definitely know who two of your fellow citizens are and they will help you get the win.
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Post by Sunggyu on May 8, 2016 1:13:22 GMT 10
Well if you're genuinely playing for the citizens to win, then please get on with it and stop being a dick. But I promise you, you will have no second immunity to offer her since you will be tied with me.
If you are so sure that Eunji nuna is the criminal and you are hellbent on making her last, then I suggest you start mending some bridges with her. Because if you are right, she will have a lot of power come the end if this game.
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Post by Jinho on May 8, 2016 2:12:06 GMT 10
Well I woke up after a nap expecting to see the results of a vote, maybe even a verdict and instead I wake up to this...
This whole Hongchul playing for Ahyoung this round makes me uneasy because it's not the most citizenly thing to do. Even if Ahyoung is the citizen and Hongchul is the criminal, am I suppose to trust him that he'll go on a jury and just plead guilty so the citizens will win? Sounds a bit crazy to me. And I don't even want to consider what would happen if Ahyoung is the criminal and Hongchul the citizen who wants to help her, a game with basically 4 criminals and 3 citizens is really beyond us, we wouldn't stand any chance. And if that's the case, I'd be really pissed. There's obviously the chance that both Hongchul and Ahyoung are on the same team but if that's the case I'm not sure of seing the point of Hongchul making it obvious that he will put an effort into helping Ahyoung this round, maybe it's some sort of strategy I can't comprehend.
At any rate, I feel kinda bad for my vote on this last jury, I realise I should have slept first and voted later, but I figured it couldn't hurt that much. If it does passes, perhaps we can learn something from that verdict espectially since we kinda know Eunji and Ahyoung are on different teams and most likely Hongchul and Ahyoung are the same. Still this feels like a very very twisted game.
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Post by Ahyoung on May 8, 2016 7:04:26 GMT 10
I think this is an odd round where everything is not as it appears? I have a bit of a crazy theory. I've been trying to put myself into Eunji's shoes and think what I would have done in her situation. She's equal last with me and has 20 garnets. Makes sense that, if she were a citizen, she'd want to figure out what I am. So she checks and sees I'm a citizen too. Now she knows that we're going to be at the bottom together. So what's the next move? Well, Sunggyu is in a winning position. If her closest ally wins, she'll be saved from the Death Match when we lose together. So she decides to check what Sunggyu is. She see he's a criminal. Now, Eunji realises that if the criminals win instead of the citizens, she won't be in the DM because Sunggyu won't let that happen.
Is this too crazy? Idk, to me it makes things make sense. It would explain why she put in a not guilty first round- nobody ever does that, but if she's not actually a criminal then what does she care that she might be seen as one? A real criminal will sneak on a mission instead, in that case. And it also explains why she doesn't care about people checking her allegiance - that did strike me as strange.
For me, I know she's either a criminal, or a citizen who put in a not guilty verdict. I really hope it's the first one because otherwise I don't stand a chance, but unfortunately I could see the second one being the case.
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