Ahyoung Yutnori Discussion

[Ahyoung]

I was wondering whether to do one of each, which gives you a 2/3 shot of getting her, or if they would assume you would do one of each because of that, and so do one of each themselves. So it's a hard choice. Double X gives you 1/3 of getting her, 1/3 of another turn. Let's just hope they didn't do double blanks!

[Ahyoung]

Jinho you're the best

If I could get this piece away from the start I could be in a really good spot, so how can we make Eunji not get it? The other piece makes it difficult as I have to make sure she can't catch that. So either on the first or second try, I need to do one of each to cut her short of getting me. If I try doubles on the first go and she gets a second turn, they'll probably get me on the second turn because they can pretty safely assume I'll do one of each. Or even if they don't, Eunji will be so close to my piece in front that I'll need to use my next turn to move my piece off the board, leaving that newer piece open to easy attack for another round. So for that reason, I'm thinking I should do one of each straight up? Unless you think they'll probably try one of each or themselves? I think you're better at reading them than I am

[Jinho]

If I were Eunji, I'd expect you to go with the classical one of each that we've thrown for her for I don't know how many turns. So she would either throw one of each her own to try and get your new piece or throw a double blanks to try and get as close as possible to your first piece.

Witht that in mind, if it were just me (and I already told you I tend to take risky approaches), I would do a double blank now which would mean she either gets my piece (which is no big deal) or she gets a 4 move and new turn. If she does get a new turn, I would go for double blanks again untill she cracks. We can afford to have her get 4 blanks 3 times untill we'd have to crack and throw one of each to make sure she doesn't get your first piece. If she does get those 3 turns plus let's say another 3 spaces move, she'll have both her pieces so advanced that they wouldn't count at all as a thread to your second piece. All you have to do is move your first piece off the table adn then we repeatedly throw 2 blanks for every one of Eunji's turn to force her to move both her pieces off the table by the time your second piece comes near the end. Of course that's a far fetched scenario, I think that what will most likely happen if you do throw a double blank is that she'll have to move 3 and that will be it.

[Ahyoung]

Bandage Man I'll throw two blanks please.

So there's no way if we keep throwing blanks she can get it with the current piece, right? Only the new one? I was just trying to figure it out and couldn't see a way, but I want to be certain before throwing blanks a second time.

[Jinho]

Yeah... With two double blanksm, assuming she keeps getting 4 blanks, the current one will get just one step behind you and if we throw again double blanks she either jumps of the board or she just moves ahead of you. The problem is the new piece. With 4 all blanks she will be two steps behind you and then it's a very risky situation because whatever we do, she could potentially get the fatal 2 blanks + 2 X. That's why we'd have to stop after she gets 4 blanks 3 times if she does. And then, it depends in whether she moves the second piece alone or the first one as well. We could potentially still keep your first piece on the board a few more turns and then just throw once more one of each for each of Eunji's turn to keep her as slow as possible without taking risks.

Obviously all that theory is based on the fact that they would throw double blanks as well a few times. My guess is they will just go for one of each because they will expect that's what we're doing again.

[Ahyoung]

I figured they'd go with a new piece, so if I get on the corner she can catch me. I'm thinking 2 Xs here? If I go backwards that's awesome, and if I move two I can either get the piece off the board or get the new one where Eunji and Kyungran can't reach it yet. Although that'd mean I'm taking the long way around. Only thing is I think that's the move they'll expect me to make. I think there's very little chance they'll do 2 X. They'll do one of each or two blanks. So should I do two blanks to potentially get the extra move? I'm not sure. Moving 3 isn't great if they go with one of each.

[Jinho]

Yeah double X seems like a good call. The worst thing that could happen would be a double blank from them which would allow you to move just in front of Eunji and be safe during the next round. But considering your conservative approach, I highly doubt they would risk it and throw two blanks.

So if they don't there are two options. If they throw one of each you simply move the new one backwards to scare them. There is a 0% chance they would allow you to finish like that so on the next turn they absolutely have to throw double blanks to prevent another backwards move. Which means you can take advantage of that, throw yet another double blank which will give you another turn as well as the chance to move on the corner and decide your fate depending on what happens with eunji and what your second throw will be.

But back to this throw, if you do get an extra turn, I suggest another double X. If you get another turn, you've hit gold. If you get to move two, you can just move the new piece 7 spaces which would take it far enough from Eunji or Kyungran for now. And if you get to move back it's a tricky one. But what I would to would be to take the old piece off the table with the 5 spaces movement and then to move the new one back again to scare them into throwing double blanks next.

[Ahyoung]

I hope you're right about them not doing double blanks It would be pretty bad for them if I did as well. And even moving 2 isn't awful which is the worst case with double X.

Bandage Man I'll throw double X please.

[Ahyoung]

One of each for Kyungran? Do you think she'll try to move her piece two spaces here, or three? I'm not sure which is the better move for her. With two she can put pressure on my piece since she could go backwards and get me, and also that means she could finish the quick way. But that would make it possible for you to get her. If she went for 3 she could block you from getting her. But she's got to take risks right now. She can't just try to move along normally. If I were in her position I think I'd do one of each to try going the short way. In which case, maybe I should try 2 blanks?

[Jinho]

Two blanks would certainly surprise her, I don't think we've ever done that for Kyungran. I was just gonna come here and suggest we do one of each and maybe force her to catpure Eunji but I think you're right, that would be too obvius from us and she might decide to try to move backwards instead of just going for maximum range. So perhaps we should try and do a double blank just like you said and hope they go for one of each expecting us to do the same.

[Ahyoung]

Or could I even try 2 Xs? What are the chances that they would go with 2 X themselves? She might go double blank but not double X, I would think. And if she did go for one of each, she wouldn't even get on the board.

[Jinho]

That could be nice as well. As long as it's not one of each which they should be expecting from us, I'm fine with it.

[Ahyoung]

Bandage Man double X please.

[Ahyoung]

Already regret it I hate not playing it safe.

[Ahyoung]

Ah that's a shame. Her being able to go backwards isn't great. Up to you on what to do, at this point I think it's probably guesswork when there's nothing you need to avoid.